Humboldt County

Guilt by Association (2002) IMDB rating: 6.50 Plot: Life is good for Susan, her two children and new boyfriend Russell. But life abruptly changes when she discovers her perfect boyfriend is a drug dealer. Realising the danger this could bring to her family she tells him to leave. Suddenly her house is raided and Susan is arrested as a co-conspirator in Russell’s drug business. Her situation goes from bad to worse when she finds herself behind bars with violent criminals. How will she ever prove her innocence when the system seems against her? Guilty By Association is a disturbing story based on true events

Actors: Carter Alex,Blumas Trevor,Magder Daniel,Drama,

If one Christians or a thousand Christians does something wrong does that reflect on all Christians and …?
…Christianity as a whole?

If a Christian is convicted of murder does that mean that I too am a bad Christian or guilt by association.
Very very few witches were burned at any stake. Mostly you had devout Christians people accused of witch craft. To say that all religous people agreed with those actions of the past is dishonest.

Even the majority of the so-called witches in the Salem Witch Trials were extremely devout Christians. What you would call crazy fundamentalist today.

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Not that I can see.

Each is responsible for his/her own actions and not those of anyone else.

L8r

| Dec 08, 2009

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It gives people that idea. The actions of a few represent the whole in most situations.
itsnotme4321 | Dec 08, 2009

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No, it just means that a Christian fell into a sin.

Jesus is sinless. Christians are not sinless.

Jesus is God, and Jesus loves you so very much!

The truth about Jesus is that the only way to be saved and to get into heaven and avoid being sent to eternal hell, is by believing in Jesus for salvation, believing in faith alone that Jesus, who is God, died on the cross for all our sins as FULL PAYMENT for all our sins, and then Jesus rose from the dead (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). Believe in Jesus alone for salvation, and you will be in heaven, no matter what! Salvation is a FREE GIFT that happens in a split second when you believe in Jesus alone to save you! It is impossible to lose or "leave" salvation (John 6:39-40, John 10:28, 1 John 5:13).
David | Dec 08, 2009

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Yeah, pretty much.
Rod | Dec 08, 2009

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Do you consider the Nazi party to be bad?
Silent-H | Dec 08, 2009

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Of course not. But the people in R/S think it should be.
Neil | Dec 08, 2009

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Of course not.
It does however show that the christian claim, often made here, that christians *as a whole* are "more moral" than other people is false. But most of us already knew that.

Peace.
WellTraveledProg | Dec 08, 2009

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I am reading the subtext here relating to muslims and I am here to say different set of rules apply to muslims in the US. Americans are very good at ignoring hypocrisy. It’s what your country is founded on.
Jerry | Dec 08, 2009

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groups of people tend to be entities in themselves if enough people are involved and might show weaknesses in the faith that encourage such behaviors.. but just a handful of nuts… no… the inquisition and witchtrials were more than a handful though. they were at the time everybody pretty much
invest$$$ | Dec 08, 2009

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Unfortunately when one of His does something wrong, it’s like the "Body" is in Pain, yes. (As like a pain in the ‘arm’, or ‘foot’, etc.) Not good.
gertystorrud | Dec 08, 2009

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If the pope and his bishops order immoral/illegal acts such as the burning of witches, and the murder and torture of people who refuse to believe, and the people go along with it without speaking up, then it does reflect on all christians
FNA: The Next Generation | Dec 08, 2009

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Think of it this way. It’s called terrible logic. Some terrorists are Muslims. All terrorists are bad. Therefore all Muslims must be bad.
PolandSprung | Dec 08, 2009

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Of course not. This is the basic idiocy that so many people apply to Muslims.
Some Muslims hate the US, therefore ALL Muslims hate the US.

Some Catholic priests molested children therefore ALL Catholic priests do that.

Some Fundamentalist Christians bomb a Dr.’s office because he/she performs abortions, therefore ALL Fundamentalist Christians do so.

Ridiculous, but that is how people act when they refuse to use their brains.
vic91106 | Dec 08, 2009

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Yes it does make us all look bad. Christian and atheist. Same as if a person from another group does something bad.
halfadozen1984 | Dec 08, 2009

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Depends. If you react by defending them ( as some do in the case, for example, of those who have killed abortion providers) or by saying, "they are no true christian," it does implicate you as a whole, you are liars. . If you react by saying "our brother has sinned, and we must help him find his way home" then I can have a bit more sympathy. Your own religion tells you man is not perfect. Why do you insist that anyone who isn’t perfect is not a true christian?

If you want to be taken seriously as a moral voice in the world, denounce people like Pat Robertson, Hitler, and the rest of your brothers who fall into evil. Say that while you denounce them they are still your brothers in christ and attempt to mitigate the damage that their attempts to do evil in his name caused. Don’t become clowns by saying, oh, he isn’t really one of us.

The best way that christians can mitigate the effect of their evil brethren is by example.
Mordred | Dec 08, 2009

Forced Vengeance (1982) IMDB rating: 5.00 Plot: A casino security guard is forced into violence from when the Hong Kong mob threatens his friends.

Actors: Norris Chuck,Cavanaugh Michael,Opatoshu David,Sakaguchi Seiji,Liu Frank Michael,Minor Bob,Kino Lloyd,Caine Howard,Emhardt Robert,Behrstock Roger,Shaw Jimmy,Gramian Behrouz,Action,Adventure,

Should we tell children the only reason you are Christian is your forefathers didn't want to go to jail?
Codex Theodosianus

The Codex Theodosianus was a compilation of the laws of the Roman Empire under the Christian emperors since 312. A commission was established by Theodosius II in 429[1] and the compilation was published in the eastern half of the Roman Empire in 438.[2] One year later, it was also introduced in the West by the emperor Valentinian III.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Theod osianus

LAW BANNING ALL RELIGIONS OTHER THAN CHRISTIANITY

"It is Our will that all the peoples who are ruled by the administration of Our Clemency shall practice that religion which the divine Peter the Apostle transmitted to the Romans. According to the apostolic teaching and the doctrine of the Gospel, let us believe in the one deity of the father, Son and Holy Spirit, in equal majesty and in a holy Trinity. … The rest, whom We adjudge demented and insane, shall sustain the infamy of heretical dogmas, their meeting places shall not receive the name of churches, and they shall be smitten first by divine vengeance and secondly by the retribution of Our own initiative." — Codex Theodosianus, XVI.1.2.

THE BURNING OF NON-CHRISTIAN BOOKS

"All writings whatever which Porphyry or anyone else has written against the Christian religion, in the possession of whomsoever they shall be found, shall be committed to the fire." — Emperor Theodosius I.

Source: Lardner, Works, vol. vii., pp. 206, 396.

"Whenever there is found a meeting of a mob of Manichaeans, let the leaders be punished with a heavy fine and let those who attended be known as infamous and dishonored, and be shut out from association with men, and let the house and the dwellings where the profane doctrine was taught be seized by the officers of the city." — Codex Theodosianus, XVI.5.3.
After the English Reformation and establishment of the Church of England, from the 16th to the 19th century those guilty of such Nonconformity, termed "Recusants", were subject to civil penalties and sometimes, especially in the earlier part of that period, to criminal penalties. Roman Catholics formed a large proportion of Recusants, and were those to whom the term initially was applied. Non-Roman Catholic groups composed of Reformed Christians or Protestants who dissented from the Church of England were, later, also labelled "Recusants". The recusancy laws were in force from the reign of Elizabeth I to that of George III, though they were not always enforced with equal intensity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recusancy

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Elizabethan England – Elizabethan Recusants and the Recusancy Laws
The Elizabethan Recusancy Laws directly effected all English Catholics. Elizabeth succeeded her Catholic sister Mary I on November 17 1558 and immediately re-established the Protestant Anglican Church. The Elizabethan Recusancy Laws were established due to the 1559 Act of Uniformity of Common Prayer and Administration of the Sacrament in which attendance at church became compulsory and non-attendance was punishable by fine or imprisonment. The Elizabethan religious settlement was passed by Parliament on 29 April 1559and the Elizabethan Prayer Book was first used June 24, 1559
http://www.elizabethan-era.org.uk/elizab ethan-recusants-recusancy-laws.htm
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The earth goes around the sun ? Yep death sentence for you

Didn’t go to church — jail or a fine

From —- the 300’s to the riegn of King George the 3rd

Believe or else –

Now spread the loving word of Jesus or be whipped

Should we tell the children as we indoctrinate them into believe Adam and Eve had no belly button and women were made from a rib that one of the principle reasons this religon of love got off the ground was the threat of whipping death being lit on fire or being fined ?

Or should we continue to gloss over that part and concentrate more on how the entire new testament was written well after Jesus died ?
1) Gospel of Matthew
Date Anywhere between late 50s and 80s AD.

2) Gospel of Mark
Either 50s AD or shortly before 70 AD.

3) Gospel of Luke
Date Anywhere between late 50s and 80s AD.

4) Gospel of John
Date Traditionally, 85 AD or later, especially c. 100 AD; some have recently suggested no later than 70 AD.

5) Acts of the Apostles
Date Probably c. 63 AD,

6)Epistle to the Romans
Date 57 AD

7) 1 Corinthians
Date c. Spring 55 AD

2 Corinthians
Date c. Summer 55 AD

9) Epistle to the Galatians
Date c. 48-57 AD

10) Ephesians
Date:c. 60 AD

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Wait a moment — >????

Jesus was born ( 1 BC because there was no year zero) and began his ministry at about 30 dying about 3 yrs later at the age of aprox 33 —

34 —- oh 35 AD

And the entire bible was written how many yrs after the fact ?

Should we keep the kiddies in the dark about that one too and just tell them

Believe or eternal burning for you little boy?
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Celtic ? Saxon ?Scandinavian? Slavic ? Mediterranean ?European? An Angle? Or some poor slob who ran into a colonizing force when these laws were being enforced

You’re religion was made illegal your books burned your holy men imprisoned or killed

—- Non belief was punishable by various methods of extremity depending on who and when you happened to be born

—- You’re fore fathers if British — European or even some Southern American or African nations —- You’re forefathers either adopted Christianity or were killed whipped had their property taken or maybe just had to pay fines

The only reason this religion has been handed down to you — Is it was enforced by the sword the whip and the dungeon

You lost you’re heritage and the religion of your ancestors to the sword of conquest

And it was all happened in less than 300 yrs after Jesus died —

Or should we continue to ignore that ?

Yes or no?

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Maybe not, the poor kids head’s are already filled with terrifying thoughts and images if they have been indoctrinated, we would have to take it really slowly.

Nikonf5 | Nov 11, 2009

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And that your parents lack the free will or fortitude to view the world for themselves?
Eliphas | Nov 11, 2009

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Very interesting, I always knew they made other religions illegal, that explains allot.

Hello to Danger : Didn’t the Spanish kill all the non Christians in Mexico, ever heard about the Spanish inquisition?
smile | Nov 11, 2009

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im christian and my forefathers were from mexico not rome. so no, i would not tell my kids that.
Hello to Danger | Nov 11, 2009

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yes. Im fifteen and I learned in school. (though my ancestors arent those christians)
And Everyone in my class were a little out out but nothing seious. H
nada | Nov 11, 2009

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Even if it was a law that doesn’t disprove that people genuinely believed it. Religious freedom means being able to worship, or not, which is what America was founded on.
Its like saying the only reason people wear seat belts is because its a law.
Tell me about it… | Nov 11, 2009

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My faith in the Lord God is not based on man’s traditions or edicts or religious decrees of nations. It is based purely on my own faith in the Almighty, supported on the foundation of the testimonies of the prophets and apostles of the Holy Scriptures, and experienced personally within my own soul and spirit and body.
hmghosthost | Nov 11, 2009

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remember christians serve god they ARENT god, god is perfect we are not were are only human theres gonna be people who use religion to help their own needs like the christians in england…but see those people are not christians those people serve their religion and make the religion itself god insted of thinking of what jesus would say, do or how he acted in situations…
Richard | Nov 11, 2009

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All my children are Christian because they stepped into the world and saw the mess and ran back into the umbrella of safety in the anointing of Jesus.
waygoddoesthings | Nov 11, 2009